Reverse Cellular Aging with Oil-free Vegan Diet


Nick: Dr. Terry Grossman, it’s exciting to
be with you here at the Immortality Conference. And in your anti-aging regime you personally
have made what I would characterize as a rather significant change, some kind of awareness
about the fuel, the food that you put in your body. And tell us about that transition and what
motivated you to do that. Terry: Yes, you’re absolutely right. I’m 69 and a half. And about eight months ago I did an ultrasound
examination of my carotid arteries which I do as part of the executive health evaluations
I do at my clinic in Denver. And I found, unfortunately, evidence of some
plaque build up, some calcified cholesterol plaque in my arteries. This was very discouraging to me because I
don’t have high blood pressure, I don’t have high cholesterol, I don’t even have a family
history of heart disease yet I found that this was present. So I immediately, the same day, decided to
change my life around and treat every possible risk factor I can. And obviously the easiest way to change this
is the three opportunities a day that we have to reduce inflammation in our body — breakfast,
lunch and supper. So I switched over to what I feel is the healthiest
diet that exist for this kind of problem and for every kind of problem. I don’t know of any health problem that is
not helped by a low-fat, virtually no added fat, whole foods, plant-based diet. Now, I personally read multiple books that
I read in the past — I’ve read books by Caldwell Esselstyn, how to prevent and reverse heart
disease, I read Colin Campbell’s book, The China Study, I’ve read Dean Ornish’s books
and studies, I’ve read Michael Gregor’s book, How Not to Die — multiple books but I hadn�t
quite made the transition in terms of what I needed to do. But once I found I had this cholesterol plaque
at that point I decided to make the change. And I have to admit, I thought it was going
to be very difficult. I thought this is a boring diet. I can’t eat all the food that I like. I was raised in the South. I love fried chicken. I love barbecue. I can’t eat these things anymore and it’s
going to be terrible but I’m willing to do it for the sake of my health. But what really completely surprised me was
how great I felt. I had so much energy. My mind felt like it was just as sharp as
it could be. Here I am eight months in this diet and I
don�t even want to think about stopping. I don’t miss these foods whatsoever because
I don’t want to give up how great I feel. Nick: Dr. Terry Grossman, you and I had a
very good interview a number of months ago. It was probably prior to the eight-month period. Gosh. And I remember that time I post to you — we
talked a little bit about plant-based protein. I said, “Theoretically that is a good way
to go but I don’t have anyone making the food for me. You mentioned something about a cookbook,
a cook or cuisine being prepared. I would do it if it was made simpler but right
now I’m not completely doing it.” I remember that interview distinctly. And it’s interesting that you now have the
clinical proof in front of us. You told me a number of years ago you had
microscopy in your office for various reasons. We won’t get in all those details. You don’t have the scope in your practice
now but we’re talking about some new innovations and maybe bringing it back. But the beauty of this 1080 camera with this
high-powered microscope — and we’re looking at a drop of your blood, your actual red blood
cells, the separation, the purity of the background, virtually no triglycerides, little tiny specks
here and there, and they’re perfectly shaped. You’re absorbing vitamins and minerals well. And you mentioned years ago when you used
to look at your own blood you saw it were low, you saw challenges in the blood. And now you’re seeing what you and I would
characterize — after me seeing tens of thousands of samples over the last 40 years, this is
one of the most perfect profiles of blood taken today in the middle of the day after
eating. And you’re being fairly careful but you’re
traveling — not maybe as perfect as if it was at home. I personally bring food with me so I’m not
at mercy at the hotels, what we’re eating. But this is something to be proud of. It’s like getting the perfect report card
from college or high school. You got bragging rights here, Terry. This is the proof. Terry: Oh, absolutely. The first thing that I want to comment on
is I actually was influenced to start this diet thanks to our last interview that occurred
at an A4M meeting in December in Las Vegas. [0:05:08] We both spoke at that meeting. We had an interview together. You mentioned the diet to me. I knew that you’re on this diet and had been
on it for decades. Nick: Forty years. Terry: And it sat in my mind. And I happened to do this test probably three
days later. So I went on the diet a few days after our
last interview and I’ve been on it ever since. So that was eight months ago. So that’s the timeline for when this occurred. And you played a significant role in my decision
to do this because I look at you and I see how healthy you are, the energy that you have,
your mental focus and all the rest. So hey, I want to be like Nick. Why not? So I followed that. Now, looking at this blood, you’re right. I used to have a dark-field microscope like
this. Ad when I saw my blood on your microscope
I was absolutely delighted. I will be honest with you. I’ve never seen anybody have blood look this
clear because I didn’t have any low-fat vegans that I was taking care of back then because
I haven’t had a microscope in my office for over 15 years. Nick: It’s a valuable tool for feedback. Terry: Oh, absolutely. I’m going to get one of these now. But just looking at my blood like this just
reinforces my desire to stay on this diet. Not that I need any reinforcement, I just
feel so tremendous. But this is great reinforcement. And what I would love to do now is take other
patients, show them what their blood looks — Nick: Show them where it’s at now. Terry: Right. And show them what it could look like. Oh, by the way, this is mine. So wouldn’t you like — Nick: I want to show this video. Terry: Wouldn’t you like blood like this as
well? Nick: Yes. And the blood is the lifeline to the body,
to the brain, to trillions of cells. And without which, if it’s inhibited as the
fat coats the blood cells — I don’t care if it’s olive oil or corn oil or saff oil
or coconut oil, all that insult of all that heavily processed — because to take it out
of 14 ears of corn to make a little tablespoon of corn oil or take it out of massive amounts
of coconut or olives and concentrate that, it’s kind of like taking sugar out of sugar
beets. We know sugar is not good for you but taking
beets which are healthy for us, whole beets, the same analogy applies. Separating up those oils from the fiber, the
nutrients, that fat just rolls right into the blood stream. Literally I can show you within four hours
— I have a famous video called How to Become Diabetic in Six Hours where you see my pristine
blood and I drank olive oil in front of the camera. And I actually made a face like that because
it was yuck. And you see the fat roll in from a nice triglyceride
of under 45 in the middle of the day because I’m eating fruit and whole food, and then
I drank olive oil and it goes up to 78 — doubled within about an hour to drinking it. And then I added insult to injury — I added
some more fats from typical foods people eat. And my levels went up to over 300. My blood sugar elevated. And within six hours I was testing diabetic. Terry: Well, the amazing thing as I’ve studied
this now — there was a test they do called FMD, flow-mediated dilation. And this is essentially a test of what we
referred to in medicine as endothelial dysfunction. The endothelium is inner lining of the arteries. And if you’re endothelium is healthy then
by and large you are healthy. Your endothelial dysfunction or function,
your flow-mediated dilation will change within minutes after whatever food you eat. So they did a study on people. They had them eat a conventional fast food
meal. By the way, 50% fast food meals in this country
consist of a hamburger, 30% of them consists of French fries, and over 60% of them consists
of a sugary soft drink. So hamburger, French fries, soft drink, measure
flow-mediated dilation and triglyceride, blood fat levels that you just talked about, a few
minutes later, 10-15 minutes later the changes were phenomenal. Flow-mediated dilation — Nick: In a negative way. Terry: In a negative way. Flow-mediated dilation went way down. Triglycerides, blood fats went way up. Then they did the same thing after people
ate a healthful meal, fruits, vegetable, salad, grains, whole grains, things like this, whole
foods, plant-based meal, nothing changed. Everything stayed the same. Your arteries stay just as healthy as they
were. So when we say that you have three meals a
day to improve your health, it really is true because changes occur virtually instantaneously. [0:10:15] Nick: Dr. Terry Grossman, your experience
is profound and the fact that you’re willing to share your own drop of blood with the audience. And look at these healthy white blood cells,
how active — you can actually see this white blood cell moving on the screen and this one. So you�ve got lymphocytes, monocytes, you’ve
got eosinophils, basophils. And they’re your army, your own army. But your own army, the lymphatics, the fat
rolls through the bloodstream and it clumps up the blood, it clumps up the immune system,
it ties up and suppresses immune system. Caldwell Esselstyn in my interview with him
said that oils and fats — that camera’s live too — oils and fats actually depleted one’s
nitric oxide level. And so when you’re following a program you
need to test nitric oxide and put people on a full fat diet, show how depleted even if
they’re eating greens and beets and all the good things, then go on an oil-free diet — I
like to use little nuts and seeds. very limited, small amounts, a little bit
of avocado, olives. But my whole foods diet proportionally is
under 7% fat, probably around 9% protein even though I’m a fitness advocate and I get all
the protein I need from my potatoes, rice, fruits, beans. I don’t have to combine them to get a complete
protein because the enzymes slough off in intestines. You get 150 g of protein a day from your own
recycling of enzymes. You get 30 g of protein from your intestines
sloughing and recycling. So you only need about 40 more grams of protein
but on average on a plant-based diet you’re going to get 60 to 90 g of protein, more than
enough. So I’m getting all my protein at 6% to 9%
protein. And my complex carbohydrates, the resistant
starches, I’m getting somewhere around — what’s the math on that — 70%, 80%, 85% resistant
starches that are helpful for my blood sugar, my insulin, my bile acids, my cholesterol,
moving toxins out of the body. I get over 100 g of fiber a day. Terry: I know. It’s really amazing. As a practicing physician I’m sure I get the
kind of questions that you get from clients, from patients. How do I get my protein? And there’s this illusion. The example I like to give is look at a racehorse. A racehorse has got enormous muscle mass. What kind of protein supplements, what kind
of meat and what kind of fish and chicken does the racehorse eat? None. And yet — Nick: Well, what’s in hay? Terry: Yes, that’s right. So a whole food, plant-based diet is what
the horse is eating. Nick: A rhino. Terry: That’s correct. Nick: An elephant. Terry: Right. All of these — Nick: A gorilla. Terry: All of them, they are basically vegans. They’re low-fat vegans like we are. And they’re incredibly strong, they’re incredibly
powerful. So the fact is just like you say, we have
all of these sources of protein and this illusion that has been propagated on American people
largely by vested food interest to convince us that “milk is good food milk.” Milk is actually junk food. Drinking milk, drinking three cups a day increases
the risk of breast cancer. I don’t know if it’s 300% or 400% but it’s
enormous. Eating cheese is bad for us. So the other thing I do is I look at this
blood which is now about an hour and a half old. And the cells haven’t fallen apart. They’ve stayed perfect. Nick: They maintained their [0:13:48] [Indiscernible]. Terry: When you have blood that’s been sitting
out for an hour and a half the cells — Nick: [0:13:55] [Indiscernible] Terry: Yes. Nick: They’re breaking apart. Terry: So they’re staying healthy. They’re out of the air getting oxidized by
oxygen, they’re getting beat up by the environment and yet they’re still staying perfect. So ask me how long I’m going to stay on this
diet. Guess what. Nick: The rest of your eternal life. Terry: And I hope it’s a really long time
but I think with a diet like this there’s a chance that it’ll be a lot longer than it
would’ve been if I wasn�t following this diet. So I am very excited. I so much appreciate you sharing this with
me and letting me see what my blood looks like. I look forward to sharing this with my patients. I’m going to get a microscope once again like
this and show my patients what their blood looks like because this is invaluable information. If you can actually see what your red blood
cells look like, how they’re sticking together because of all the gloppy stuff that you’re
eating compared to what they could look like — if you have red cells that look like this,
if you have blood that looks like this how much oxygen can you deliver to your tissues? [0:14:59] Is this why I feel so energetic? Is this why I feel so alive? Is this why my brain feels like I can learn? I’m in the process of learning a new language
now at almost 70 years of age having no trouble whatsoever with all the vocabulary and stuff
like that. So I really think it truly offers health advantages. The crazy thing to me is — I mean I had a
little bit of plaque, nothing, hopefully, that’ll ever be a problem for me certainly
due in this diet. I hope to reverse it. But here I have a guy who’s had a heart attack. Here I have a woman who’s had breast cancer. And I say, “I would really like you to take
a look at this diet.” I couldn’t do that. No way. I can’t give up these foods I love. We’re eating ourselves to death. Yes, you can do that. If people would just try this diet for one
week, for three weeks, they would find how great they feel. And I think that just how good they feel plus
looking at their blood in a microscope before and after would convince them of how much
they want to. But don�t you find it shocking how addicted
we are to the foods we eat, the poisonous foods we eat? Nick: You’re absolutely right, Dr. Grossman. I’ve had the fortune over a 40-year career
to literally examine people’s blood before and after, tens of thousands of people, one
of the best experiences of my life. I was working with Tony Robbins and he asked
me to come in 1992 to his home, and I brought the microscope. I put the blood up on the screen and I showed
him his dry and his live blood and I described certain things going on in his blood. And he leaned forward and he said, “No one
knows that about my medical history. I didn’t tell you a thing about this. How did you know this?” And I went on to explain to him. Then he said, “Well, can you test a lot of
people?” I said, “I’m thinking 20, 30, 40 people.” And he said, “Let me have each of the people
in the home, my family, the assistants. We’re going to test you. Can you test a lot of people?” I said, “Yes, a lot.” And he says, “We have master university coming
up. There’ll be 1,000 people coming.” I’m thinking it’s humanly impossible to test
1,000 people in three days. And I said, “Yes, Tony, I can do it.” And I’m like, “How am I going to do this?” I went and bought ten microscopes. I trained a bunch of technicians. And I handed him my cookbook and I said, “In
ten days, Tony, we’re going to check” — we’re using [0:17:17] [Indiscernible]. “We’re going to baseline lipids in ten days
later” because I had read the journals by Dr. James and it’s showing that in ten days
you could reduce cholesterol and triglycerides somewhere around 30% to 40%. And sure enough we duplicate it. I published a study for my PhD thesis, 693
people before and after in ten days using basically Tony Robbins’ buffet using my cookbook
and all the whole foods. And we dramatically proved — And what the beauty was, Tony got into their
value system. He talked to them about how important is your
health. If you’re the most successful business and
you could spend all of money that Steve Jobs has, where’s Steve Jobs at? If you had all the money in the world that
the McDonald’s owner had, where are you at or Kentucky Fried Chicken, where are you at? You’re gone. You have no way to enjoy that unless you appreciate
that every molecule that you put in your body — it would be like buying a Ferrari, and
you say instead of putting that high-octane fuel you put some cheap kerosene, it’ll run
with kerosene — would you want to do that? You put high-grade fuel in your body. And you realize that when oxygen’s going to
the brain it’s inhibited by low fat coats of blood cells — on the head of a pin there
are 8 million red blood cells. Every drop of fat coats all that blood cells
and then they can’t get through to the brain, 20% restriction oxygen, you have brain fog,
you can’t think. So you drink coffee to cut through the grease
to wake up. Terry: There’s no question about it. We do have serious food addictions. Look at the population we live in. In this country if you are in a normal weight
you are in a serious minority group. The largest group is the obese. The second largest group, the overweight but
not obese. The minority are the people at a normal weight. This is to me, crazy. How many millions of Americans have high blood
pressure? There is an epidemic of diabetes going on
in this country. How often can you listen to a sporting event
without an advertisement for some kind of ED drug? How many men are suffering from lack of blood
supply? Tens of millions. I know that in my practice the most common
prescription drug I write for is one of the ED drugs because we’re clogging up our arteries
with our diet. So we have simple ways of solving these problems. Oh, how many of you will have arthritis? How many people don’t have arthritis? Where does arthritis come from? It comes from being overweight. It comes from eating inflammatory foods. So we are now spending somewhere of the order
of 15% or more percent of our gross national product on what is called healthcare which
is really sickness care. And why are we doing that? Because we are eating ourselves into an early
grave. [0:20:15] And we can turn that around. We can solve the national debt crisis not
by raising taxes like one group says, not by lowering taxes like another group says
— just by eating better. Nick: There’s going to be some resistance,
Terry. And I think the special-interest groups, they’re
going to be concerned that we’re somehow stepping on their grounds and inhibiting people from
getting the vital protein they get from meat and fish and chicken and eggs and milk and
we must get our calcium. They’re so, so deluded. Even our school children are taught inaccurate
information about health and nutrition. And like you said, we spend all this time
and money trying to mop up. I remember Dr. Denis Burkitt. He showed a slide. In those days it was 35 mm slides. It was 1978. And up on the slide he showed a sink and someone
had turned the faucet on and put the plug in, and water was flowing over the sink onto
the floor. And they brought people with mops and they
were mopping it up. And every shift they had a new group coming
in mopping up all the water all over because they didn’t want it to slip down the stairway
and cause people to slip and fall but some slipped and fell and hit their head, then
they had to be rushed to the emergency Others were taking white sugar on the table. They got so addicted to it. They developed diseases. Others we’re eating gobs of fat and meat and
they had clogged arteries. And they just kept letting — someone looked
at the sink and said, “Turn off the faucet. Let’s let the moppers go home and get a real
job, somewhere where they can help old people to live into that next generation of longevity,
immortality.” But they’re not going to make immortality
and longevity. You and I know some of the greatest thinkers
in immortality and anti-aging are sincerely partially confused about their own lifestyle
and even publicly saying that it’s okay to eat meat or milk or eggs or cheese. Have they looked at their blood yet? I look at sometimes behind closed doors. I know the truth of what I see. Terry: Oh, absolutely. The analogy that I like similar to the one
that you gave is you have a cliff and people are falling off of the cliff regularly because
it’s dangerous, it’s slippery. So the individuals keep falling off the cliff. They get hurt. They get killed. And at the bottom of the cliff they have ambulances
standing by. So many people are falling off the cliff,
they have to keep bringing more ambulances and more ambulances and more ambulances when
all they have to do is put up a fence, put up a gate and people will stop falling off. We can do that with our diet. We can do that with our lifestyle. We do that with our exercise so that we don’t
fall off the cliff. We don’t need the ambulances. In this country the ambulances are our hospitals,
our medical care, our drugs. We’re spending a fortune on those things to
mop up after we fall off the cliff. We don’t need to do that anymore. We can take care of ourselves, live more healthfully. Preventive medicine, honestly, is where it’s
at. So really, it’s about our education. But the bigger problem is you follow the money. The money always leads. And in the United States, in a capitalistic
society, the money interest want us to eat what they want to sell, what they can make
money of. Sugary foods, sugar costs almost nothing to
grow. It’s addictive. It’s habit-forming. It tastes good. People love it. Fat foods, people love it. So mix fat and sugar together, you got a winner. Pizza, ice cream, people love these kinds
of foods. McDonald’s, they’re adding sugar to their
French fries so that people will eat more of them. Fat and sugar, fat and sugar. Donuts, fat and sugar. These are the foods that people love but these
are the foods that are going to make your blood clog, that are going to make it so that
you don’t have good blood flow to your heart, you don’t have good blood flow to your kidneys,
you don’t have good blood flow to your brain, you don’t have good blood flow to your sexual
organs, you don�t have good blood flow anywhere. And all these problems are going to result
— and all you have to do is clean up your diet. It’s really very, very simple. It’s not rocket science. What part of this is hard to understand? I don’t understand it myself. Nick: I think that we’ve brought it to a very
clear awareness. And it’s our job to facilitate that awareness
and open up the probability that maybe something that someone has been doing their entire lifetime
and then they get ill, they get sick and the doctor diagnosed and they give them prescribed
drug, and let’s try and lower their blood pressure not realizing that the thick blood
is the primary cause because of what they’re eating, the heart medication because they
clog their arteries, and they could’ve eaten whole natural foods. [0:25:21] So lifestyle medicine is a new — not so new
because my mentor, Nathan Pritikin, started the whole movement back in 1977-’78-’79 from
what he learned from Lester Morrison, and his mentors, Denis Burkitt and Hugh Trowell. I was present during those meetings, those
very early conversations with Ernest Wynder who theorized that smoking cause cancer. And Ernest Wynder went on to say that high
prolactin levels due to a high-fat diet within 30 days following a low-fat, whole foods diet,
within 30 days you could lower the levels of prolactin down low enough that the risk
of breast cancer drop dramatically. He said that back in 1978. I was present at the meeting when he said
it. And yet the whole society’s running around
with a lack of awareness of why we have such a high rate of breast cancer and such a high
rate of prostate cancer. The studies are in. It’s very clear. It’s not up to debate any longer. So our concern is that people get the right
information and evaluate and go through the journals, look up our website, look at the
links, look at all the interviews I’ve been doing for the last three years, and share
this information with people. And from that, make a new decision. What would it be worth for people to have
incredible energy hour after hour, feel bounds of energy without having to depend on coffee? If you like coffee, that’s fine. That’ll just put you like rocket fuel on top
of high-energy fuel tank. But the reality is exercise, body movement,
eating whole natural foods, adjusting for hormonal decline — it’s inevitable with age
— making sure that we live a drug-free life, prescription or otherwise ideally, and taking
in positive thoughts and being loved and connected. We started that in the other segment about
love and connection and kind of the male-female whole — we had fun with that talk. Terry: Yes, absolutely. It really is very simple information. The information is in. We had it from the time of Burkitt who was
working in Africa. What is it? A hundred years ago. He said in Africa they have small hospitals
and large bowel movements because they eat so much fiber. In the United States we have big hospitals
and small bowel movements. Nick: [0:27:36] [Indiscernible] Terry: Yes, exactly. So I think that we know. They published a study recently comparing
people in Uganda to people in United States. Uganda is a third world country yet over there
the incidence of heart attack is 0.1% of the population. In the United States it’s the leading cause
of death. 25% of people have heart attacks, die from
heart attacks. The number that had them and survived is even
higher. One in three people are going to have a heart
attack during this lifetime. In Uganda 1 in 1,000 people are going to have
a heart attack. Why? They eat whole food, plant-based diet without
a lot of animal protein in Uganda, without a lot of fat in Uganda. So this underdeveloped world in some ways
is a lot more developed than we are. Nick: Thank you so much, Dr. Terry Grossman. Your blood is living proof. I’m impressed, astonished and excited. I think this message has to get out to the
world, and that’s what we’re about to do. So our next segment, tune in to NickDelgado.com. Locate Dr. Terry Grossman out of Colorado. Terry: GrossmanWellness.com, and my clinic
is the Grossman Wellness Center in the Denver area. Nick: Thank you very much. Be well, eat healthy, move your body and keep
those positive thoughts and send some love. Subscribe to the channel and get on track
right now. And look up a doctor that does blood morphology
that I’ve trained. I think you’ll find a whole new world at the
cellular level that you’re going to now be able to say the statement that I always say,
blood doesn’t lie. Terry: Thanks very much, Nick. It’s been my pleasure. Nick: Bye-bye.

12 thoughts on “Reverse Cellular Aging with Oil-free Vegan Diet

  1. God's blessing is on this people ( because they respect His Law of Health ) .

    I have same feelings about this , 9th year on this diet . It's best choice I've made in my life in terms of health and vitality .

  2. Veganism is not good cause it still includes Oil, sugar, and salt…..pointless, why do all the work, then ruin it with oils, soooo unhealthy….the vegan cheese I saw has sugar in it, organic sugar is still sugar, agave is still sugar: Heart disease……..go Nutritarian: Joel Fuhrman, MD

  3. Thank you Nick and Terry. My husband bought a Microscope and has a few slides, but I think he needs the training. Please send me an email with more information. I am already on your email list. Great interview! Eternally grateful. 💜🌇🌴😇

  4. oil free of course ..what do u personally do Dr Nick to ensure your food tastes good without oil ? would you instead advocate the use of something like a cashew paste or almond milk or maybe use lots of herbs , spices and condiments ..or maybe throw in some nuts and seeds ?

  5. I'm hearing that cardiology is changing and their realizing cholesterol does not cause heart disease, but rather inflammation caused by sugar

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